“I talk with my friend and colleague, Ryan, about his work on fascism research, distinctions between fact and truth, and the role rhetoric has in our political and social spheres, this and occasional references to the set up of his office, where we chat, (before shelter-in-place)in San Jose, California.”
Listen to the rest at: https://soundcloud.com/passyourpassionpodcast/episode-18-ryan-on-fascism-research-truth-and-rhetoric